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{{redirect2|WP:AS|WP:SIZE|information on the size of Sarkarverse|Sarkarverse:Statistics}}
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{{subcat guideline|editing guideline|WP:SIZE|WP:LENGTH|WP:LIMIT|WP:TOOLONG|WP:TOO LONG!}}
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{{subcat guideline|editing guideline|SV:SIZE|SV:LENGTH|SV:LIMIT|SV:TOOLONG|SV:TOO LONG!}}
{{nutshell|Articles should be neither too big nor too small.}}
{{nutshell|Articles should be neither too big nor too small.}}
{{Guideline list}}
{{Guideline list}}
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This page contains an overview of the key issues concerning '''article size'''. Three measures are key:  
This page contains an overview of the key issues concerning '''article size'''. Three measures are key:  
* ''Readable-prose'' size: all viewable text in the main sections only, not including any viewable text in a table or a list, and not including any [[wp:footer|footer]] sections
* ''Readable-prose'' size: all viewable text in the main sections only, not including any viewable text in a table or a list, and not including any [[SV:footer|footer]] sections
* ''Wiki markup'' size: all viewable wikitext in the editable file, as shown in the character count of the edit [[wp:page history|history page]]
* ''Wiki markup'' size: all viewable wikitext in the editable file, as shown in the character count of the edit [[SV:page history|history page]]
* ''Browser-page'' size: the total size.  This is the size that a [[web browser]] loads.
* ''Browser-page'' size: the total size.  This is the size that a [[web browser]] loads.
For any given article there is no specific relation between the three, although general relations can be assumed.  
For any given article there is no specific relation between the three, although general relations can be assumed.  
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*''other technical issues'', for example, browser limitations, slow upload speeds, etc.
*''other technical issues'', for example, browser limitations, slow upload speeds, etc.


When an article seems to be the wrong size, five rule-of-thumb administrative responses are given here based on readable-prose size. The decision to divide a large article, break part of it out into a new article, or combine all or part of it into another existing article is an editorial decision that requires consensus. Other solutions for too-large articles, and guidelines on the size of articles, are provided below. The licensing policy mandates that any decision to "break out" or combine articles must be accompanied by an edit summary ''ala'' "''new content from the <nowiki>[[</nowiki>[[wp:page name|page name]]]]''".
When an article seems to be the wrong size, five rule-of-thumb administrative responses are given here based on readable-prose size. The decision to divide a large article, break part of it out into a new article, or combine all or part of it into another existing article is an editorial decision that requires consensus. Other solutions for too-large articles, and guidelines on the size of articles, are provided below. The licensing policy mandates that any decision to "break out" or combine articles must be accompanied by an edit summary ''ala'' "''new content from the <nowiki>[[</nowiki>[[SV:page name|page name]]]]''".


==Readability issues==
==Readability issues==
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===Lists, tables and summaries===
===Lists, tables and summaries===
{{Shortcut|WP:SPLITLIST}}
{{Shortcut|SV:SPLITLIST}}
Lists, tables, and other material that is already in summary form may not be appropriate for reducing or summarizing further by the [[Sarkarverse:Summary style|summary style]] method. If there is no "natural" way to split or reduce a long list or table, it may be best to leave it intact, and a decision made to either keep it [[WP:Embedded lists|embedded]] in the main article or [[Sarkarverse:SPINOFF|split it off]] into a [[WP:Stand-alone lists|stand-alone sub-article]]. Regardless, a list or table should be kept as short as is feasible for its purpose and scope. Too much statistical data is against [[WP:NOT#STATS|policy]].
Lists, tables, and other material that is already in summary form may not be appropriate for reducing or summarizing further by the [[Sarkarverse:Summary style|summary style]] method. If there is no "natural" way to split or reduce a long list or table, it may be best to leave it intact, and a decision made to either keep it [[SV:Embedded lists|embedded]] in the main article or [[Sarkarverse:SPINOFF|split it off]] into a [[SV:Stand-alone lists|stand-alone sub-article]]. Regardless, a list or table should be kept as short as is feasible for its purpose and scope. Too much statistical data is against [[SV:NOT#STATS|policy]].


==Technical issues==
==Technical issues==
{{See|Sarkarverse:Browser notes|l1=Browser notes}}
{{See|Sarkarverse:Browser notes|l1=Browser notes}}


Total article size should be kept reasonably low, because many users edit from low-speed connections including [[dial-up]] connections, [[smartphones]], and low-end broadband connections. The text on a 32kB page takes about five seconds to load for editing on a dial-up connection, with accompanying images taking additional time, so pages significantly larger than this are difficult for older browsers to display. Articles of about 200kB (~30 pages) are not uncommon for topics that require depth and detail, but it's typical that articles of such size get [[WP:SPLIT|split]] into two or more sub-articles.
Total article size should be kept reasonably low, because many users edit from low-speed connections including [[dial-up]] connections, [[smartphones]], and low-end broadband connections. The text on a 32kB page takes about five seconds to load for editing on a dial-up connection, with accompanying images taking additional time, so pages significantly larger than this are difficult for older browsers to display. Articles of about 200kB (~30 pages) are not uncommon for topics that require depth and detail, but it's typical that articles of such size get [[SV:SPLIT|split]] into two or more sub-articles.


[[Mobile browser]]s can be a problem because these devices usually have little memory and a slow CPU; long pages can take too much time to process, if they can be fully loaded at all. When using slow connections, e.g., a desktop computer with an analog modem dial-up or the wireless connection of some mobile devices, long articles can take too much time to load. For notes on unrelated problems that various web browsers have with MediaWiki sites, and for a list of alternative browsers you can download, see [[Sarkarverse:Browser notes]].
[[Mobile browser]]s can be a problem because these devices usually have little memory and a slow CPU; long pages can take too much time to process, if they can be fully loaded at all. When using slow connections, e.g., a desktop computer with an analog modem dial-up or the wireless connection of some mobile devices, long articles can take too much time to load. For notes on unrelated problems that various web browsers have with MediaWiki sites, and for a list of alternative browsers you can download, see [[Sarkarverse:Browser notes]].
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==Splitting an article==
==Splitting an article==
{{shortcut|WP:SPINOUT|WP:SUBARTICLE}}
{{shortcut|SV:SPINOUT|SV:SUBARTICLE}}
{{main|Sarkarverse:Splitting}}
{{main|Sarkarverse:Splitting}}
{{details|Sarkarverse:Summary style}}
{{details|Sarkarverse:Summary style}}
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When you split a section from a long article into an independent article, you should leave a short summary of the material that is removed along with a pointer to the independent article.  In the independent article, put the {{t1|SubArticle}} or {{tl|Summary in}} tag on the talk page to create a banner that refers back to the main article.
When you split a section from a long article into an independent article, you should leave a short summary of the material that is removed along with a pointer to the independent article.  In the independent article, put the {{t1|SubArticle}} or {{tl|Summary in}} tag on the talk page to create a banner that refers back to the main article.


To conform with [[WP:C|Sarkarverse's licensing requirements]], which permit modification and reuse but require attribution of the content contributors, the new page should be created with an [[Help:Edit summary|edit summary]] noting "split content from <nowiki>[[article name]]</nowiki>". ('''Do not omit this step or omit the page name.''') A note should also be made in the edit summary of the source article, "split content to <nowiki>[[article name]]</nowiki>", to protect against the article subsequently being deleted and the history of the new page eradicated. The {{tl|Copied}} template can also be placed on the talk page of both articles.
To conform with [[SV:C|Sarkarverse's licensing requirements]], which permit modification and reuse but require attribution of the content contributors, the new page should be created with an [[Help:Edit summary|edit summary]] noting "split content from <nowiki>[[article name]]</nowiki>". ('''Do not omit this step or omit the page name.''') A note should also be made in the edit summary of the source article, "split content to <nowiki>[[article name]]</nowiki>", to protect against the article subsequently being deleted and the history of the new page eradicated. The {{tl|Copied}} template can also be placed on the talk page of both articles.


===No need for haste===
===No need for haste===
As browsers have improved, there is no need for haste in splitting an article when it starts getting large. Sometimes an article simply needs to be big to give the subject adequate coverage. If uncertain, or with high profile articles, start a discussion on the talkpage regarding the overall topic structure. Determine whether the topic should be treated as several shorter articles and, if so, how best to organize them.  If the discussion makes no progress consider adding one of the [[WP:SPLIT|split tags]] in order to get feedback from other editors.
As browsers have improved, there is no need for haste in splitting an article when it starts getting large. Sometimes an article simply needs to be big to give the subject adequate coverage. If uncertain, or with high profile articles, start a discussion on the talkpage regarding the overall topic structure. Determine whether the topic should be treated as several shorter articles and, if so, how best to organize them.  If the discussion makes no progress consider adding one of the [[SV:SPLIT|split tags]] in order to get feedback from other editors.


===Breaking out trivial or controversial sections===
===Breaking out trivial or controversial sections===
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===Breaking out an unwanted section===
===Breaking out an unwanted section===
If a section of an article is a magnet for unhelpful contributions (such as the "external links" section or [[WP:AVTRIV|trivia]] sections), be aware that while moving it to another article may help to clean up the main article, it creates a new article that consists entirely of a section for unwanted contributions.  If an article includes large amounts of material not suitable for inclusion in the encyclopedia, it is better to remove that content than to create a new article for it.
If a section of an article is a magnet for unhelpful contributions (such as the "external links" section or [[SV:AVTRIV|trivia]] sections), be aware that while moving it to another article may help to clean up the main article, it creates a new article that consists entirely of a section for unwanted contributions.  If an article includes large amounts of material not suitable for inclusion in the encyclopedia, it is better to remove that content than to create a new article for it.


===Size guideline===
===Size guideline===
{{Anchor|A rule of thumb}}
{{Anchor|A rule of thumb}}
{{Shortcut|WP:SIZERULE|WP:TOOBIG}}
{{Shortcut|SV:SIZERULE|SV:TOOBIG}}
Some useful rules of thumb for splitting articles, and combining small pages:
Some useful rules of thumb for splitting articles, and combining small pages:


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==Content removal==
==Content removal==
{{main|WP:Content removal}}
{{main|SV:Content removal}}


Content should not be removed from articles simply to reduce length; see [[Sarkarverse:Content removal#Reasons]] for acceptable reasons.
Content should not be removed from articles simply to reduce length; see [[Sarkarverse:Content removal#Reasons]] for acceptable reasons.
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The largest articles (by markup size, ''not'' readable prose size on which the above size guideline is based) are listed at [[Special:Longpages]].
The largest articles (by markup size, ''not'' readable prose size on which the above size guideline is based) are listed at [[Special:Longpages]].


You can find the size of the markup of a page in [[byte]]s from its [[WP:page history|page history]] (near the bottom).  Also the [[Sarkarverse:Searching|search]] box entry: <code>intitle:Article title</code> will show both number of words in the article and the size of the article in kilobytes. In most cases these are not reliable indications on their own of whether an article should be split.
You can find the size of the markup of a page in [[byte]]s from its [[SV:page history|page history]] (near the bottom).  Also the [[Sarkarverse:Searching|search]] box entry: <code>intitle:Article title</code> will show both number of words in the article and the size of the article in kilobytes. In most cases these are not reliable indications on their own of whether an article should be split.


Note that the ability to [[Sarkarverse:Section|edit a section rather than the entire page]] decreases wait time, removing some of the many, oversized-page problems for ''editors''; however, ''readers'' with slow modems will still have to wait for the entire page to load.
Note that the ability to [[Sarkarverse:Section|edit a section rather than the entire page]] decreases wait time, removing some of the many, oversized-page problems for ''editors''; however, ''readers'' with slow modems will still have to wait for the entire page to load.
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If you find a section too long to edit correctly and safely, you can post a request for assistance on the [[Sarkarverse:Help desk|help desk]]. Follow the "New section" link, which will allow you to post a new comment without editing any existing text.
If you find a section too long to edit correctly and safely, you can post a request for assistance on the [[Sarkarverse:Help desk|help desk]]. Follow the "New section" link, which will allow you to post a new comment without editing any existing text.
==See also==
*[[Sarkarverse:Abundance and redundancy]]
*[[Sarkarverse:Article series]]
*[[Sarkarverse:Scope]]
*[[WP:TOPIC]]


==References==
==References==